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One man celebrates the birth of Christ on December 25th, another man celebrates the birth of Christ on January 25th, what's the big deal?
You tell us to learn about the Jesus from the bible, so which verse says the "Christ" was born on December or January? What is the motive to insult our Yule traditions by celebrating Jesus in an occasion, where he may or may not have been born? Why it isn't an insult against Jesus? If the January 25th turns out to be wrong, will they go to hell?

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It's talking about not be focus on accumulating all the wealth in the world...because it's temporary and you can't take it anywhere. Instead, focus on accumulating eternal wealth that lasts forever.
That's not what the bible says, that's YOUR understanding of the verse. If I ask about the verse from other Christians, they will give me a different explanation. Who gave you the right to interpret the word of God? "Sell your possessions, and give to the needy." Sounds pretty clear, no need for your false interpretations...

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Where does the bible talk about Cain's wife?? No where. Stop going to the unbelieving world asking for their ridiculous explanations for where Cain supposedly got his wife.
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And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived, and bore Enoch: and he built a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son Enoch.
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I went to bible and what did the bible say? God only created Adam and Eve and they had children. Since you feel like you can interpret the gods word however you like, so surely you can say if his wife was his sister or his mother Eve? No other options according to BIBLE.

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"Real Bible's" are written in English? So crazy, I had no idea they spoke English 1700~ years ago when the Bible was put together 300~ years after "Jesus" died... so it's probably extremely accurate and all true!
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The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Do we have the preserved word of God or not??? God said he will preserve it.



Think about it. If there are thousands and thousands and thousands of scriptures passed down generation to generation since Moses which all agree with each other AND there is a bunch of scriptures found in some guys basement a couple of centuries ago which doesn't agree, WHICH do you trust?



The scriptures that are passed down since Moses is called the textus receptus. There are several independent translations to English through out the centuries: Genova, Wycliffe, King James bible. Guess what? They all match up perfectly. What does not match up is the catholic translations which were based on different scriptures (outright satanic scriptures).



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So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
When you speak to unbeliever, speak in easy words in their language. Otherwise, you might as well speak to the air.


There is a reason catholic mass was in Latin (which the common man did not speak). It was illegal to translate the bible...that is how they were able to deceive people into weird weird doctrines. John Wycliff translated it and he was burned at the stake.


When the catholic church could not stop the translation efforts, what did they do? The best opposition is a controlled opposition...that is where Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Joseph Smith come in with their weird messed up false doctrines. This is why you have protestants, Calvinists, and Mormons.



The King James bible translation was done by King James who hired the world's best scholars. These scholars spoke 20+ languages, the best of the best. Everything was double checked and verified.


There is a reason Guy Fawkes tried to kill King James to try to stop the translation effort. Who hired Guy Fawkes??
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Do we have the preserved word of God or not??? God said he will preserve it.
God didn't say anything, actually... unless they had voice recordings back then that I don't know about. That would be amazing. More accurately, thousands and thousands of years ago, some ancient tribes in the Middle East claimed that Yahweh was speaking to them. I'll call BS on that all day. And Christianity came out of that. I mean, your boy Jesus was Jewish and claimed to be the human incarnation of Yahweh...



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Think about it. If there are thousands and thousands and thousands of scriptures passed down generation to generation since Moses AND there is a bunch of scriptures found in some guys basement a couple of centuries ago, WHICH do you trust?
Haha, that's easy... I don't trust either.

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The scriptures that are passed down since Moses is called the textus receptus. There are several independent translations to English through out the centuries: Genova, Wycliffe, King James bible. Guess what? They all match up perfectly. What does not match up is the catholic translations which were based on different scriptures (outright satanic scriptures).
I'll take your word for it, but none of what you said is evidence for anything. I can start a religion right now, claim God told me things, write down some rules... does that make it true?




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When you speak to unbeliever, speak in easy words in their language. Otherwise, you might as well speak to the air.


There is a reason catholic mass was in Latin (which the common man did not speak). It was illegal to translate the bible...that is how they were able to deceive people into weird weird doctrines. John Wycliff translated it and he was burned at the stake.


When the catholic church could not stop the translation efforts, what did they do? The best opposition is a controlled opposition...that is where Martin Luther, John Calvin, and Joseph Smith come in with their weird messed up false doctrines. This is why you have protestants, Calvinists, and Mormons.



The King James bible translation was done by King James who hired the world's best scholars. These scholars spoke 20+ languages, the best of the best. Everything was double checked and verified.


There is a reason Guy Fawkes tried to kill King James to try to stop the translation effort. Who hired Guy Fawkes??
Really don't care about any of this lol your God isn't real. End of story.

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I believe that Jesus' Christianity was ultimately inspired via Buddhist missionaries who were sent to Alexandria Egypt in the 3rd century BCE, by King Ashoka of what is now India. A Buddhist inspired sect formed in Alexandria, which was called Therapeutae 'healers' in Greek. I believe that the Essenes were an offshoot group of the Therapeutae.
i have to think your timing wont stand up to historical scrutiny. its too extraordinary. the stuff written about comparisons between the bible and egyptian texts im familiar with-- the 10 commandments, etc.

with that said, the quoted part is absolutely one of the most fascinating things ive ever read. im no expert, but youve definitely got me interested. cheers.
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I think this thread perfectly demonstrates the mentality among some believers that actively pushes others to not believe.
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I think this thread perfectly demonstrates the mentality among some believers that actively pushes others to not believe.
if you could advise all believers at once, what would you suggest they do differently?
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if you could advise all believers at once, what would you suggest they do differently?
There are countless different religions each with countless interpretations. It's a complete lack of humility to be aggressively pushing the unquestionable correctness of your brand of religion, just because you and your family believe in it.

I'd like religious people to recognise that is a matter of faith and that they may be wrong and others right.
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A better question would be...does Jesus believe in me?

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The past is now part of my future,
The present is well out of hand"

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There are countless different religions each with countless interpretations. It's a complete lack of humility to be aggressively pushing the unquestionable correctness of your brand of religion, just because you and your family believe in it.
i dont disagree. its ok to have conviction, but when it rests on faith and believing in translations of conversations that happened thousands of years ago, a little humility is a good idea.

in many of the religions in question, a little humility is also mandatory.
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i dont disagree. its ok to have conviction, but when it rests on faith and believing in translations of conversations that happened thousands of years ago, a little humility is a good idea.

in many of the religions in question, a little humility is also mandatory.
Christians are looking at interpretations, things would be a lot clearer if they looked at the actual translations. If your going to believe in ancient texts you may as well believe in the real ones.
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Christians are looking at interpretations, things would be a lot clearer if they looked at the actual translations. If your going to believe in ancient texts you may as well believe in the real ones.
It's too bad that the word "Christian" has been misappropriated by all religions who have Jesus as their leader. Catholics, Protestants, etc... they aren't Christians, not to me anyways. They should be called Catholics and Protestants, cause that's what they are.

To me, a true Christian just tries to model their own life after how Christ lived. To be relentless in giving of your time, money, kindness, empathy, friendliness... to everyone, even those least deserving of it.

I truly believe all the stuff about Jesus being the human form of Yahweh isn't something a Christian is concerned with, and honestly was probably just thrown in there centuries after he died, in order to further the goals of the religion...

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Oh Jesus...one wonders what he/she will see in the after life if one is a believer. For example, if you live your life as a Buddhist, do you still see a Jesus-like figure on the other side?

I think every Christian believes differently. Some believe he is God incarnate, ..to me, that would be a pretty darn huge figure versus Jesus just being an elevated kind of human being (like the Buddha). Is he spirit incarnated or just a super-human? It's hard to know. I've read examples of Jesus' sayings in a book that found references to Jesus in Muslim texts. A lot of his sayings that book reflected a lot of the sayings of him in the Bible. I do believe there is a Christ model to living. I don't know the exact specifics of when and where this happened, though in the Bible, it certainly did seem like Jesus was promoting a way of living, bypassing all the rituals that the Jews had in place and saying, "there's a shortcut to that..." Either he was saying, "only through me.. (Christianity)" or.. "only through me (my way) of living..." Etc etc. It's debatable whether he wanted to start a religion or not.
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I've tried imagining myself not believing in Jesus, and found that I can't do it!

I grew up in a Christian home.

I went to church my whole life.

I asked Jesus into my heart more then once.

I pray.

I listen to the Bible.

I study.

But I'm not an expert.
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OMG. At like the 1 minute mark it's a 4 minute walk from my dad's place.
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OMG. At like the 1 minute mark it's a 4 minute walk from my dad's place.
Maybe your dad has seen Jesus lol.
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Unix: I agree with nearly everything you wrote except the bit about Martin Luther. He reformed the church because the early church had a monopoly on the Bible and wouldn't let the people read it for themselves. The clergy locked it up and had people believing they needed to buy their way into heaven. Luther translated the Bible into German and gave the people back what was rightfully theirs. Today we are a part of the reformed church, catholics not included.

coeur brise: All Christians believe Jesus is God, he became a man, lived a sinless life, he died on the cross, was resurrected three days later, and is now sitting at the right hand of God. These are the foundational beliefs of every Christian. Otherwise, they are not Christians. But it's more than that. Many people show up to church, listen to a sermon, and profess to believe in God. However, a true Christian seeks a relationship with God. It's an inward relationship, not just outside.
Yes, you're right. Jesus didn't want the Jews simply follow ritual and doctrine. Why? Because the whole point of Christianity is not religion but a relationship with God. The is why the Bible is so important. It is a living book. The Holy Spirit reveals His truth when we read it. However we must have established a relationship with God, through Jesus before that can happen.
The reason why Jesus said no one goes to the father but through me? Because Jesus died on the cross specifically for us. What this means is that God, the father expects perfection. Adam screwed up. Therefore, Jesus came here to fix things. You see, we are all sinners. Why? Through Adam, we are born sinners. So even if you've never sinned, you are still a sinner. But... Mary was conceived by the Holy Spirit, therefore Jesus was not stained by the sin of man. Sin is passed on by the father. Anyway, when we claim the blood of Jesus, it means that when God sees us, he sees Jesus instead and therefore God judges us the same as Jesus, perfect. So Jesus is like our lawyer, who is representing us. He takes our place. In fact he took our place 2000 years ago. It's already done for those who claim it. So by saying no one goes to the father except through me, Jesus is saying that God will not accept us unless we accept the gift Jesus offered when he died.
And let me add one very important thing. There are a growing number of Christians who believe in universslism (that hell isn't real and everyone, even no-believers will be saved). This is nonsense. Jesus would never have gone through the torture, humiliation, shame, betrayal, etc etc for nothing at all. Hell is real as are demons. The only way to escape hell and be delivered from demons is through Jesus Christ. Regarding demons, ask any alien abduction victim who found out what these things really and called out to Jesus, what happened? The "aliens" magically disappear. Guess what? You will not see this truth broadcast over the Hellevision.
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I believe there was a Jesus who likely started Christianity but I don't believe in the biblical Jesus because the bible contradicts science.

No, the account of creation in Genesis has been validated by science. There was an article in New Scientist about that. There was no way anyone could have known at the time it was written.

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