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post #1 of 42 (permalink) Old 03-24-2019, 01:40 AM Thread Starter
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Working Hard Doesn't Pay Off


It's not about what you know but who you know. It's all about networking and brown nosing.

I wonder why I work hard and care when no one else does. My manager messes around all the time and because she's social people don't notice what a bad manager she is.

Any suggestions I provide would just be disregarded. People resent me because I try to be efficient and make sure to not make a lot of mistakes.

I used to stay back at work but not anymore. I take my breaks now. I'm just going to do what is required of me and not care. Why should I care about improving processes when management doesn't care.

I'm quite serious when it comes to work so I'm going to learn to relax. I'm going to try to socialise more.
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Yup. Everything in life is all about "politics" and being able to learn to maneuver with them, like a game. All of those life and motivational principles that are preached to you when you're young, you learn in the real world are really nothing more than total bullcrap most of the times.


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No matter the type of job, you quickly realize just how political the working environment is and just how little hard work actually accounts for.

The talkers at a job are viewed as "hard workers" merely because they are sociable and have garnered the affection of their peers. Meanwhile, the workers with actual merit and fortitude are left out in squalor especially if they are not talkative themselves.

I'm beginning to understand that the only way to achieve personal solace for myself is to either become my own boss or come across a sum of money that would allow me to stay away from the circus.

You expressed a desire to be more social. I'm the exact opposite. I want to be less social. I only want to talk with co-workers and managers if it pertains to the job, any other type of discussion is just not fulfilling in my opinion and leads to the incompetence you see in the workforce.

When you notice that most of your co-workers and managers do their jobs at such an inadequate level, it makes you question why you work so hard while others get ahead by being inefficient.

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No matter the type of job, you quickly realize just how political the working environment is and just how little hard work actually accounts for.

The talkers at a job are viewed as "hard workers" merely because they are sociable and have garnered the affection of their peers. Meanwhile, the workers with actual merit and fortitude are left out in squalor especially if they are not talkative themselves.

I'm beginning to understand that the only way to achieve personal solace for myself is to either become my own boss or come across a sum of money that would allow me to stay away from the circus.

You expressed a desire to be more social. I'm the exact opposite. I want to be less social. I only want to talk with co-workers and managers if it pertains to the job, any other type of discussion is just not fulfilling in my opinion and leads to the incompetence you see in the workforce.

When you notice that most of your co-workers and managers do their jobs at such an inadequate level, it makes you question why you work so hard while others get ahead by being inefficient.
Your words are so true. Unless you work for yourself or in a niche field most jobs are all about politics.

I'm trying to play the game. I only want to try to be more social at work to be "noticed". I'm good at my job and I just get resentment from people.

That's why I'm not going to stress myself out or put in more effort than I need to. If anything happens they can easily replace me or throw me under the bus.

I now go home on time and have ease of mind.
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Some self employed people have worked hard to get where they have today as well as having no management to answer to.

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Oh but I came to find out that it's
all hate and money
And there's a canopy of greed holding me down.
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Well, I would say that (generally speaking) working hard does keep you alive but if you mean "Doesn't pay off" as in it doesn't get you anywhere, I guess I'd have to agree. Everyone ends up the same way. Dead. And work is just one of the many ways that people run their clocks out. So....

I guess it's relative. The idea that hard work pays off is obviously propaganda to keep people spinning their tires furiously and keeping the whole disgusting machine lubricated with lots of blood, sweat and tears.

With the level or technology we have today, I doubt that anyone really absolutely needs to work as hard as most people do. But we also would not have quite the same standards of living if we eliminated most of the manual labor. There are a lot of things machines can't do yet and machines have to be figured out by humans so...

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Most jobs are pretty thankless and you start to realize thinking you can be successful just out of hard work is too idealistic. Success is born out of at least 1% luck, even if you have given it your all. You must have at least one miracle to help everything else fall in place, but even then, most people will only have some things they wanted fall in place, not all of them. There are many people that work just as hard as successful people, but only a few of them will make it. That's just an unfortunate reality.



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"we want you to stay here, but if you want to stay here, you need to stop being snarky and commenting on current projects and supplier fcvk-ups like everyone else does aahahaha"

i'm paraphrasing of course, but the sentiment is intact.

only management is allowed to have opinions and questions, everyone else gets told to shut up or leave lol
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No matter the type of job, you quickly realize just how political the working environment is and just how little hard work actually accounts for.

The talkers at a job are viewed as "hard workers" merely because they are sociable and have garnered the affection of their peers. Meanwhile, the workers with actual merit and fortitude are left out in squalor especially if they are not talkative themselves.

I'm beginning to understand that the only way to achieve personal solace for myself is to either become my own boss or come across a sum of money that would allow me to stay away from the circus.

You expressed a desire to be more social. I'm the exact opposite. I want to be less social. I only want to talk with co-workers and managers if it pertains to the job, any other type of discussion is just not fulfilling in my opinion and leads to the incompetence you see in the workforce.

When you notice that most of your co-workers and managers do their jobs at such an inadequate level, it makes you question why you work so hard while others get ahead by being inefficient.
Yep, people lie about stupid ****.

I'm a hard worker at a minimum wage job and I get told a lot that I did something wrong and it makes me feel dumb but I know I'm not. They change the rules with me a lot and my produce managers break the rules.

I'm not that damn dedicated to working hard in a minimum wage job. No one is. So what's the point of working hard unless you absolutely have to rush at the moment?
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A lot of good points here. As a fellow hard worker (or I was, a while ago) I think you have two ways that things can work out for you:
1) As a few people already mentioned, learning a skill is an option. I also think that the skill has to be in such an area that allows you to work with virtually no managerial oversight.
2) Set up your own business / charity.

While I agree that hard work, corporate loyalty, etc. are all a tangle of nonsense designed to entrap you forever, just coasting is also very unrewarding, especially if you get motivated by knowing you are creating something useful with your labour. Find a way out, if you can. Stop making someone else rich and make yourself rich. Or, if riches are not your goal, make a real difference with the work that you do (which is near impossible in a hierarchical environment). You have an excellent work ethic, and although it may allow your employers to exploit you now, it's a great tool you can use to your own advantage once you're out.

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It sounds like you're conscientious at heart. It can be very demoralizing if you work at a place that only values loud mostly hollow input. At my job of 30 plus years upper management only rewarded those who made them feel good. There was no sense that excellence was the main goal. It was more about seeing how much you could get. For years I worked 50, 60 hour weeks when I thought a project might be in peril but over time I came to a more sane approach. I did what I could for my 8 hours and then I went home and pursued other things. I agree with @rabidfoxes about the way to free yourself. It's a hard way to go but maybe the best?

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Work only as hard as you need to satisfy your employer. The rest should be focused on something fulfilling in your personal life. Work for a living to enable that. Do not live to work or seek primary fulfillment from your job. I'm not saying, work in something that you hate...but don't make it the focus of your value and enjoyment.

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Toxic work places with managers that only stay for the 8 hours yet nitpick scheme and try to tear down your busy work. After a long day, and the jerks make a stupid joke about your work or try to make you feel stupid just makes one feel like going postal. At a toxic work place where "normies" will just make fun of your bad social skills, it's not even worth it to try to waste time attempting to being "social".

"Working hard" probably helps more when at school and attaining knowledge or skill based credentials and only translates positively in the workplace to some extent when attempting to move up on a skill-based niche position. Or alternately some form of self-employment or business.
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